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Originally Posted by jamrockyardi
On the topic of discipline and folding....I think Doyles mentality is essential if you want to be a winning poker player. I realise myself that i do best in poker when I am sober, focused and more importantly patient and held back. When I want to win badly and cant wait to play a hand i usually end up losing early on. recently i have been playing a lot of MTTs and have done pretty well, thanks to my ability to fold hands like A 10 under the gun and A-x out of position.
True form you mention that you didnt know what to do with AA when the flop was K 9 3 rainbow...you raised preflop and did the right thing! the guy calling you had much more money and was willing to gamble with his 99 knowing that you couldnt take that much from him. This was a case of bad luck...I would most certainly push with AA if is saw that flop. There are situations where its better to lay down the bullets, for instance when the flop is all diamonds and you have none...or when there is a one card missing straight on the flop etc.
Discipline is when you fold knowing your beat and have bad odds to call a big raise...a classic example is raising preflop with KK getting one caller and an ace falls on the flop...very tricky situation, your best option is to check then evaluate the size of your opponents bet on the strength of his hand. another option is to make an evaluation bet to see where you stand...if you get flat called then check to the river if he gives you that option, if he goes in for the kill on the river then fold...most players will not check if they have an ace, since they are afraid you may have a better ace and therefore want to see where they stand.
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your best option is to check then evaluate the size of your opponents bet on the strength of his hand.
no, no, no, no, no, no.
NO!
(the below eval is based upon your std player)
hehe, never ever check your kings if the ace falls on the flop..a player will bet if you check to him if he has an ace or not then you don't know where you stand.. and will either..1. fold the best hand. 2. end up losing the maximum amount.
Normally put in a 3/4 to pot sized bet and see what the player does…if you get raised you're probably beat (You raised pre-flop, indicating strength, then an ace came on the flop and you bet out a sizable sum again) what’s he going to be calling or raising with?
He didn't re-raise pre-flop so you can rule out AA, if he re-raises your pot sized bet on the flop he most likely has AK, AQ, AJ(getting looser), if he flat calls he may be on a drawing hand or have an a-rag and be playing a loose game.
If he calls the flop, I would normally fire again on the turn, if he smooth calls again and its not a station I would normally give up my kings and put him on a monster trapping me or an ace - rag which is beating me anyway.
However, like most things it depends on the context of the flop, if you have K K and the board comes Ah Js 8h and he smoth calls you he could be playing K Q/ K J, K 10 suited and be on some kind of draw.. so if the turn comes 4d I would fire again confident he would fold. Most players (online) give up if they don't hit the draw on the turn, and you firing again would convince him you had an ace…so if he calls again and is a well verse player you can be pretty sure you're beat.
If he's a super loose mega donk…then…well he could have 78 off suit or A J and have 2 pair.. that’s the hard part about playing the mega donks.
Anyway I am rambling but to sum up.. NEVER EVER check your kings when an ace come son the flop…because you can save a lot of money if you know where you are rather than being in the dark.