Does LAG play suit on-line gaming?

depends on what you mean by 'suit' it

I've been playing Real Time Strategy multiplayer games since Age of Empires was released.
Lag is something that will always be there when playing over the net.
not everyone has the same internet speed, or up to date graphic cards

if you can get a bunch of friends together, set up a LAN party

LMAO assistance. :-)

I'd sal Loose AGressive can work, but it depends on the players you are against ultimately. Unfortunately on the net there are 1 million plonkers who are also LAG without even knowing it. I started LAG but it didn't work out. Your aggression has to be timed well against players you know it will work against. As for the loose part - well - all depends on how many players (6 or 10?) and how many chips yuo have - or if you are playign a cash game.

Obviously you have to play in the style that works for you, but the difference between the net and live is you'll get called a lot more on the net.

To be honset, i've only been playing for a short while after coming across Poker completely by accident in my local area, which involved a pub league.

In the time i've been playing i have been trying to assess every type of play that goes on. While i've been playing, things in Poker like game play have just come to me rather than learned.

Recently i've kind of learned to manage my bankroll after some madness by myself and recently i came up with a gameplan. The only problem was in the time i came up with the gameplan. I lost my job, the poker league structure changed on a scale i wasn't expecting (my gameplan was in conjuction with the previous structure) and now have to do night work.

So basically the whole plan went to pot. Isn't that an old saying "Best laid plans go to pot". I didn't believe it at first, but guess what i do now!

For the time being though, i think i will stick to low level stakes till i can come up with a plan again. I know i should have a break and i do, i'm just worried if i don't keep the game fresh in my mind i'll just not want to play because i'll always think the worst.

For me it's like a vicious circle, some bad beats (usually runner, runner's) some chill time with Poker, then a nice victory or two. Then back to the beginning again. This is why i implemented my own bankroll management, to try an understand what the hell is going on. I'm worried for the time being in going into higher stakes because it still don't stop the inexperiened (less experience then me) players from going into these games.

hey guys
dont make up words

LAG is refrence to latency

*shoo* Assi!

Sub - what you've described is classic beginner poker syndrome. The huge ups and downs of your bankroll, the big suckouts and then occasional big wins. That and learning as you go along.

1st things 1st - do not under any circumstances go up in stakes until you are "consistently" winning. You WILL lose your money. The players, as they go up levels, do get better. Not all of them, by a long shot, or there would be nothing for the sharks to feed off. But there will be plenty of players who won't let you get away with wrong moves and it will cost you big time. Especially if you are playing LAG. Loose aggressive takes a lot of skill to play and win consistently. Anyone can play loose and win a few massive pots. That comes with the territory of loose play, but knowing when to back off is more important.

Also your reference to bad beats and "runner runner" beats is a give away. If you play right, bad beats are rare - you usually get out when you realise you are too far in a hand. Bad beats happen, sure, but they should be less in your mind than the great wins you have. Put it this way, when you are playing right, and you get a bad beat, it doesn't really bother you as you know you played the hand correctly and that's just statistics - it has to happen here and there. As for runner runners - well, if you let the other guy see both the turn and the flop when you had a made hand then you should consider why he called - probably because you tried to slow play a hand that could be beaten.

I'm no expert by a long way, but after, well, search here, I'm not sure, about 5 months (I started posting on here about when I started playing poker) I am now at the stage that I can enter a ring game and pretty safely walk away in profit. Sometimes lots, sometimes a few bucks. It's taken that long to become reasonably consistent (and god I make some noob mistakes) and I'm still playing 10/25c and 5/10c when I feel less up for it.

The point is, it takes time, and you do need to read up on strategy. You learn an aweful lot from pure experience, but there is SO much you can learn from reading up on different play styles and strategies.

Some of the old school players never read any books. Cool. But they started in clubs when poker was a back street thing. We are jumping into a world of competition where everyone else is reading up and applying solid logic to their games.

My recommendations would be:

1) Stick to the 10% rule - never sit at a table with more than 10% of your bankroll.
2) Read up. Buy a book or two. Ask advice about specific situations here. (should I play LAG is too vague - try more like "I played this hand like this: xxxxxx what do you think?" - the answeres you will get will explain an aweful lot and improve your game no end.

I also recommend trying what you learn in freerolls. Nothing lost ! and the games usually calm down after an hour or so.

I hop you don't take that patronisingly - I may be telling you to suck eggs. Just thought that might be the kind of pointer yuo were looking for.

p.s. You really don't want to be chosing a defined playstyle such as LAG at this stage. You need to learn to play well. Good solid reliable poker. When you get that down, you will find you will tune your game to a style that suits YOU and you enjoy, and that works for you. Some people will be Tight aggressive all their lives, and do well, some will be maniacs, and do well. It's what works for you, and more importantly, what works at the table at the time. Each table is different in so many ways. You can sit at a table and being aggressive will get you sloughtered, other times, you can own. Saying that, aggression can't just be classed as what you do after the flop - aggression is something applied at the right time, in the right place - and we all have to do that.

if you buy a book and and it talks about LAG as a play style
BURN IT

how does one expect to learn the game when they choose not to learn THE GAME ?

I'm not saying i was planning to play LAG, i was just trying to get some sort of debate going on the subject, as since Jerry Yang won the World Series in this kind of way.
It's hard not to get pulled into playing aggressive if you do think you have the best hand and then the uppercut comes that you just wasn't expecting.

Yes, i know i'm inexperienced compared to a huge amount of Poker players, but it doesn't mean i don't now the game. Everyday i play, everyday i learn.

The runner runner that so horribly sticks in my mind was like this,

I have K 7 in hand, i make a bet, a number of people call 9, K, 7, come out on the flop, people check around me, it's a reasonable pot not too big not too small. But i want the chips, so you guessed it all-in. Only one person calls, this person had something stupid like J, 4. I think to myself, "the guys a mug" then guess what, i'm the one who gets mugged by a runner Q and a runner 8.

The only thing i can honestly think is that the guy believed he had the two types of cards as outs, when experienced players know that an out only counts when you have that one type of card to make the hand.

At miniture stakes and amateur live games they are the type of plays you have to play against. People sitting there thinking they have 4 more outs then they really have and hitting them. When it comes to the flush 3 card draw, people think they have all them outs too. That's another 11 outs they are thinking about, plus whatever kind of mad equation that is going through their mind

The thing is, betting when you don't have a hand, doesn't make you aggressive. You HAVE to bet when you don't have a hand in a lot of circumstances - sometimes when you know the other guy has hit but he's hit a low hand and can be pushed off and you need the chips. Sometimes when the blinds are eating you alive and you need to make a move. But mostly when you dont' get cards, or keep missing and spot weakness. It's standard play. I don't think you can avoid any of the above and win games. You'd be totally reliant on gettng good cards and hitting the flop. - so basically everyone is aggressive post flop to one degree or the other.

The loose element (preflop) - well, like I said, that'd down to many factors.

You can't be successful in Tournaments and play tight/passive. Same for Loose/passive. You need post flop aggression to take the chips that no one else wants to fight for - so everyone, in my eyes, is aggressive post flop to some degree. Some people are far more aggressive than others - you know the types - they will try and buy every pot going. Regularly putting in big overbets to scare people off. Thing is that's risky and you need to know what to do when it goes wrong.

I find watching televised players very misleading. You don't get to see the 100's of hands they folded.

As for the all-in with 2 pair - I would not have done that. I'd have gone something like 1xpot - depending on the size, if a small pot, then 2 x pot or 3 x the pot. Enough to scare off most, and also find out if anyone is holding a monster. Going all in is not a good move. How do you know the guy on your left is nto holding KK? or 77, or 99? or 10J? (gutshot). You don't - so you are putting your game on the line for a complete guess. Why not use the betting to have a feel for what's going on at the table? - I know the guy was a dick - and you were unlucky - but that's not thte point. Be wary of the all-in button - it's a tool, and not an auto-win button. If you use it like that it's like pulling the handle on a one armed bandit :-p

Regarding live amateur games and playing against fish - well, the worst thing you can do is play like them. Instead, use their weakness to your advantage. Sit back, wait till you get a great hand, then let them bet into you. Let them think they are in control, when really you are. If you get involved in their wild card chasing with marginal hands, you are going to get stung badly. Only get involved when you are top dog. Then when you have won some decent chips, you will have already established a very strong image. NOW you can start playing looser and probing for hands, and if you don't hit by the turn, semi-Bluff with a large bet. They'll most likely fold as the only thing they've seen you do so far is win :-P

I played 2 live tournies recenly.

1st one was my 1st ever. Everyone was loose and crazy. I played along. Lost half my chips in 10 minutes. Eventually tried to out aggress the guy on my left with 99. He owned me. I was out in 40 mins.

2nd one, exactly the same type of players - all Gus Hansen/Phil H wannabe's. I sat tight and only played great hands, or cheap flops. People were mocking me, calling me "the rock". I got given a cheap turn and hit my flush after an hour or so and doubled up (they guy even said, "go on, show me your flush - I've got to see it - sigh" - and he paid!). I carried on like this and won a few more biggies. By the time I got to the final table I could semi-bluff at crucial moments (big pots) and the table would nearly always fold. As far as they were concerned I was "the rock" and they wanted nothing to do with my hands. I won the game.

The moral of the story is there is no defined style - only what suits the game at the time.