There has been a lot of talk about bad beats and the RNG at PKR so I thought I'd post with my thoughts. If you look at any forum you'll see players moaning that poker is rigged and about their bad beats. PKR, as many players have mentioned is the most advanced and fun poker site in the world. As such we do attract a lot of social players who may play for fun rather than rigidly following pot odds and this will have an impact on the hands people chase. Variance is a frustrating part of poker but we all go through periods when we think the poker gods are against us…

It doesn't matter to PKR who wins pots/tournaments on our site - we will just take a small rake or tournament fee so we have no favourites or invested interest in winners or losers. It is in our best interest to have an RNG that players have confidence in.

We use the Mersenne Twister(MT) algorithm to generate random numbers. This is a computer program that ensures all the hands dealt at our tables are totally random. We also use another computer program that shuffles the entire deck before each hand.

We have invested a considerable amount of time and effort to ensure that the hands dealt at our tables are random. We use an audited RNG that has been proven to be entirely random, and representative of what happens in real life. For more information on our RNG, please visit our website, PKR - Game fairness and account security at PKR and http://www.pkr.com/pdf/GA2006_0008_PKR.pdf

At PKR we take pride at our integrity as well as customer service. Being licensed in one of the strictest jurisdiction is our way of proving our commitment to integrity just as responding here to concerns raised by a few of our customers as part of our commitment to superior customer service.

Finally a clip to show that it isn’t only online where you see hands that surely can’t be random… YouTube - Completely mental hand from the partypoker open.

Regards,

Andy (PKR)

Thank You Andy, I hope this will put an end to the RNG debate on this forum.

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I think everyone knows that bad beats can happen and everyone knows crazy cards can come out.

I think the main gripe is the consistency of it happening at PKR and the colourful flops that seem to come out.

Often the flops are linked: 8-9-10, 6-7-8. Or double linked: Kc, Qc, Jh (Flush and straight), 7d-8d-8s etc

Straights and flushes seem to come out a lot. Yesterday I was dealt Q-9 twice in fairly quick succession. I called everytime (well limped everytime). Once I flopped the straight (8-10-J), once the straight hit on the turn. I limped mainly because of PKR believe it or not.

There often seems to be 'hooks' too that just keep you going. I nearly busted out of a tourney yesterday when I had 10-8 in the BB. All folded and SB limped. Flop came Q-10-8. But SB had limped with J-9. And just I shut down PKR as virtually a similar fate came about. I was dealt J-10 suited and called a small raise. Flop was A-J-10. But the raiser had K-Q. My loss wasn't that great because of their stack size but I was just so pissed off it happened again. "PKR keep me hooked into a hand" (well that's the thought that goes through my head anyway. lol)

And I saw the daily bad beat. Six seater table, one guy had AK suited, the other AA. Well it was carnage for the guy with AK (although he did overplay it in my opionion).

And this is what I see time and time again (not just to me, to other players). I may be paranoid. I may be imagining stuff. But I will echo the sentiments of other players - it doesn't seem to happen on other sites I play, although this may be due to the fact I play PKR more than anywhere else.

Now I try and see how it all works. While playing, when I have folded, I actually sit here with a pack of PKR cards (very nice, thank you ) and deal out six hands and a flop. I have yet to see in these live cards the scale of what I see on the screen. I know it's no where near as many hands to judge by, but I wanted to test it. In fact, in a six seater most hands were junk and would have folded. Now and again 2 hands would face each other, but it was a rare occasion to see them both get something from the flop.

I also fully understand PKR's stance on the fact that it doesn't matter to them who wins a hand. However, the conspiracy theorists don't claim that certain people are favoured, but more that the hands need to be 'juiced' so they bet more and PKR get more rake. On that line of thought, it certainly would be beneficial to PKR to make the hands a bit more 'spicy' for anyone. However, I personally do not believe this to be the case.

Having said all that, I don't think that PKR is rigged. I don't think it would be in their interest to rig anything. Far too risky. However, I do not have complete faith in the shuffling algorythm they use and I am still not 100% convinced it is not flawed. It may well be throwing out perfectly random numbers, but the amount of times I see connected cards hit the board just makes puts a slight doubt in my mind.

I love the PKR software and I keep playing there and believe it or not I am a winning player at the cash tables (I suck at tourneys). But I sometimes wonder ...

pkr would say that lol i still disagree they can use what card system they like lol its still not right .....man u need to look up hand historys i been told this by pkr a few diff occasions and im stikll on the fence about certain irregulariteis in cards dealt pkr reps need to play for a period of time before casting that conclusion obviously a pkr rep would say that.... as i said im on the fence the more i see the more im DUBIOUS lol but dont get me wrong the graphics update n stuff i do like //....id beg to differ sometimes i know its suppost too lay the pkr DEMONS to rest lol but alot would disagree andy as i said my record on pkr is dam good to tilt for 2 or 3 weeks "quote unquote" and loose 1500$ on tourneys and sit n gos and not 1 ring game i lost like 50 $10 sit n gos and every tourney i played i lost to junk more or less go figure im not ranting but im no pkr noob and if u care to look at my progress ud see for urself... ty vm for ur reply it is appreciate it

I Agree with Trueform it is not that you dont want certain people to win, that dosent make a difference to pkr, but what u do want is huge pots, which is why you will see hands with one person with a straight the other guy has a flush and the winner with a fullhouse.
Look I didnt beleive it when at first everyone was complaining about it but the more I play the more it seems obvious that the hands are rigged for monster pots.
I am not whinging because of major losses because i usually only play low stakes and what I do play with is mainly from freeroll wins.
I just think there is definately somthing up whether it is deliberate or not.
Just my opinion on the matter even though im sure pkr is not too worried either way.

I just cant trust online poker anymore, especially PKR, but I keep coming back for more.

Must be the addiction inside me.

I once saw this crazy hand. AA vs JJ all in. Both of them catch trips on the flop. Turn comes a J. River an A.

Thats highly improbable. Live poker must be rigged

see here is the thing in my conversations and correspondance with Gaming associates they told me the evaulated and accredited the " Crunchy Frog" software for for site yet u claim to use a different programme????

can u please explain i have a letter from gaming associates to prove this and i have posted it here before this needs answering doesnt it?????????

PKR was produced by UK based software company Crunchy Frog Ltd.

ok thanks assistance now im good clears the last ... up 4 me......