Here's a little something I bet you didn't know about Full Tilt. Their RNG is quite unique. It randomly picks 20 numbers (10 player table) and deals them out. But the flop, turn and river isn't yet set. The RNG randomly picks the cards as they're called for. Personally I think it's brilliant. Much better than the Microsoft crap most other rooms use.

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Yeah, I just read a transcript from Howard Lederer about it.

Hmmm, I'm not sure I like this. What this could actually mean is that if you delay a call by a few seconds, the hand will be different from if you called 2 seconds earlier. That's freaky and no way reflects a real shuffle and deal

So now on Full tilt if someone sucks out and hits a 2 outer on the river, it's because I called at the wrong time and the card was shuffled to the top? Meaning it probably wasn't at the top originally? And if I called 1 second later I win? Nooooo. I don't like that at all

I have also found that a few people are complaining about the number of quads (I have seen a fair number too) seen on Full Tilt recently and also complaining about suckouts too. Also about getting the same hole cards two or three times in a row. I have noticed this but I also saw this happen at PKR so I just think it's a random anomoly thingy.

Howard is wrong in that. The cards are not shuffled. There are no cards, just numbers 1-52 and each number represents a card. When a card is needed, a number is randomly picked.

I know this because I've spend quite a bit of time with the person who wrote the FT software. When you listen to him explain it, it is fool proof.

As for complaining, when don't people who are losing complain?

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I see. It still means that the hand will be different dependant on how long you take to do an action. It is ingenious in that it helps prevent hacking and cheating I suppose but now I couldn't play a hand on FT without knowing that a milliseconds delay could mean the difference between winning and losing a hand. lol

It would be interesting to see how live players would react if the dealer didn't deal the next card in the deck, but instead picked a card at random from anywhere in the deck ... or used his watch to determine which card was dealt (ie use the second hand so if it was 10 seconds after the minute, he'd deal the 10th card - not sure if that would work if it was 55 seconds after though. lol). Would you be happy with that system live? Would anyone? Definitely food for thought

Over the long run it doesn't matter in my opinion. Take live tournament rules for instance. If a card accidentally gets flipped over while being dealt, it becomes the first burn card and the card that would have been the burn card gets played.

Way too much is made of RNG's in online play. What many players don't realize is that strange hands happen in live play as well.

For example, I played the WPT in Turks and Caicos last month. If the first hour or so I was dealt, QQ once and AA three times. I lost with QQ and lost once with AA. I then spent the next 5 hours or so with nothing more than a set of 8's. It's just the way the game goes.

If you stop thinking and just play the cards that you're dealt to the best of your ability, you will win in the long run. NO ONE wins every hand. And no wins a large tournament without sucking out. Trust me I've played some big games and in every win or high finish I've sucked out.

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I'm well aware that suckouts and bad beats need to happen. Hell, I've had my fair share too and it's always great to sit here shouting "King ... King ... King ..." at the monitor and you see a King on the river (come on, we've all cheered and done a little dance here ). What seems a little strange to me is how often I see it on Full Tilt.

I fully acknowledge also that I don't really have much to compare it to as I have never played live, so maybe I am just giving it too much thought and maybe it is normal. They do say you see more because you play more hands, but I seem to see several bad beats and numerous suckouts over a period of 60-70 hands every STT I play. Obviously it varies.

And for any readers of this out there, I don't for one minute think that Full Tilt is fixed or rigged if that's what it sounds like.

I can't stop thinking about the deal now though and how much I could have won (or lost of course) if I hadn't answered the phone ... or made a dash to the loo ... or thought too long ... and knowing all these things actually affect the hand

Well, you certainly get streaks of bad luck! - I lost 3 SNGs in a row last night - 10th, 9th, 7th! - I just got such crap cards, missed every flop, or got good hands bettered on the river. Each time I lost I went back down a level, ending up in a $2.50 SNG lol - made it feel a lot better and it didn't bother me like losing £33 would have! The better we get at dealing with this the stonger we will become! :-P

Trueform, you seem to be a solid player. Go play live somewhere. It will open your eyes to a few things and it's a good way to judge how good your game is.

Don't worry about tells. Most players have no clue how to read them. Just play your online game in a live setting. Also, don't try to bluff too much or think you're being bluffed. Bluffing is a lot more common online than in live play.

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It's definitely on my "to do" list Nation. I would love to play live but I live in a small town where poker doesn't seem to exist. I have scoured the place seeing if any pubs have picked up on the Pub Poker that seems to be emerging in other places but so far I have found nothing.

I'm fairly close to Birmingham where I believe there is a casino or two, but I'm not sure about poker being played there or joining fees etc.

I think the new card room Dusk Til Dawn is about my best option in Nottingham but it's still a fair distance away.

I've had almost exactly the same experience as you Trueform on Fulltilt, I feel your pain. I started playing there a couple of months ago and had a pretty good run, I actually managed a consistant winning form for a while, but the last 2 weeks have been really horrible and my balance has been sucked almost dry. I mainly play STT's and my last few results read something like this: 4th, 4th, 4th, 5th, 4th, 6th, 4th, 4th, 4th, 9th, 4th, 5th, 4th, 4th, 4th...etc etc (obviously no good when you need to place top 3 for cash). I'm like you in that I don't want to change sites as I really like it there and I'm not going to stir up the conspiracy theories, reckon I'll just have to ride it out, most of the time I'm getting cun*ed on the river which is really frustrating (like you I have the winning hand, then the turn / river screws me over). Oh well, think I'll just see how it goes.....
I hope we both have a change in our fortunes over there