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Old 10-25-2007, 09:36 PM
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Default Full Tilt and the continuous shuffle

This has really got into my head. I haven't played poker all day, considering whether I wanted to stay at Full Tilt or not.

I think the thing that bothered me is the fact that the deck isn't fixed and so every action has a consequence of the result of the hand. Anyway, I Googled around and found a couple of forums discussing it. Some people were a little bothered, likening FT to a slot machine. Others reckoned it didn't matter one bit because you were going to get a random card anyway and you didn't know what it was. It also affects everybody and someone said it was all 'quantum', which sounds funky. lol

I did find one little article that appeared to be from someone at Full Tilt who seemed to know about the program. He actually said that it wasn't just the actions of the table you were playing at that affected the next card, but in fact the actions of other tables had an influence too.

This at least takes the burden off a little from the thought of "If I called 2 seconds earlier would I have won?". It also means that you didn't necessarily fold that winning hand. Folding 8-5 and seeing a flop of 8-8-5 is never nice, but knowing that the fact of you just calling would have changed that flop and so you might have lost anyway makes it a little easier to swallow I think.

So on reflection, I have decided I am happy with how Full Tilt handles the deal. The fact it shuffles after every round doesn't matter. You still have to play the cards that are dealt and not the cards that might be dealt. And the odds of that elusive Ace hitting are equal whether the deck is fixed or a card is pulled at random from the deck.

I also think that perhaps I have been over reacting to the beats and suckouts I have seen. I'd like to thank PKR Nation and Dodgey for once again helping me see sense. I really need to play live to get a feeling of what is normal. I am watching as much live poker as possible at the moment. (Thank you YouTube. hehe)

So I went and played again at Full Tilt tonight and duly won my $20 STT, so I am a happy bunny again.

If anyone is even remotely interested in following my progress on Full Tilt in the SnG's, you can see how I am doing on SharkScope - The Largest Online Poker Tournament Results Database. Just search for TrueForm 5 (that's Trueform <space> and the number 5) at Full Tilt. You get 5 free searches per day. If / when you find me it can also list my last 8 results in the options menu. Last week it was full of -$22 all the way down, totally red. Thankfully that little downswing appears to be over and it looks a little healthier now

Good luck at the tables (and I apologise for my whinges - but it's my way of letting off steam)
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Old 10-26-2007, 12:23 AM
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I think you hit on an important fact, as long as it's random, it's no big deal.

I mean 1/2 the time I don't play the cards anyway. I play the player.
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Old 10-27-2007, 02:44 AM
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Are you sure some of these muppets don't know what is coming sometimes? I saw a few funky plays in an MTT. Admittedly it was only a $5 one and it really did show with some of the unbelievable donky moves. One guy was weird. He had an average stack of about 3,000. Someone raised from early position, he re-raised, early position re-raised all-in. He called. He was outchipped so all his 3,000 chips were in. The early position guy showed 7-7 (so that was aggressive play!), and the guy who refused to fold showed K-J off suit. Re-raising and calling an all-in with that? Anyway, a King and a Jack hit and he doubled up.

About an hour and a half in, I am struggling after taking a couple of beatings. I had Q-J and decided to push. I didn't really have much choice, the blinds were growing. I was called by A-J (fair enough) and 9-6 off suit! And the flop? Well it was 7-8-5 rainbow. Unreal. lol. Still, it was only a $5 loss

I even saw someone push all-in on the river with just a gut-shot draw. I think the pot was around 500 and he pushed his 5000 chips in. He was called by someone with 2 pairs. And the sad thing is the gut shot hit!

Not sure I'll play a $5 MTT again (I played out of boredom). It was a huge donkfest. It's hard enough when you don't get any cards but when idiots shove all-in on bottom pair or a gut-shot draw and getting lucky you don't have much chance
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... I thought KJ off was good enough to go all in on the blind when I started playing :-)
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Old 10-27-2007, 01:38 PM
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lol, I was probably the same. I remember being really happy if I had 2 picture cards, thinking I must hit a big pair on the flop. And if I had an Ace I was miles in front, even if it was A-3 off suit. If an ace hit the flop and I had an ace it was as if I had a Royal Flush. lol

In the above MTT I did finish in 160th place out of 480 so I guess I managed to wade through 360 of them. What amazes me is watching the chips stacks and how fast some of them grow. I think after 3 or 4 hands, one guy had 4,500 chips (obviously trebled up) and loads had over 3,000. By the time I went out, I had under 1,000 chips, the avarage was about 5,000 I think and the chip leader had around 13,000. I simply wasn't destined to win it. hehe
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