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Old 06-01-2009, 02:17 AM
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if you want to play bingo aggressive poker then raise big or push with it (AK)
but if you know your the best player at the table, and know how to extract chips from inferior players then you need not know how to play AK but know how to fold it.

if you can out play your opponents on flops, why risk another x3bb or more bet with just over cards or back door straight draws? there is no real value in that, and then in turn you will have shown your opponents your style of poker if you do try to be hyper aggressive with a big hand.

personally myself at the micro tables or when the blinds are small I will be looking to extract the most value when I know I have the best hand. The best hand is not AK preflop so I want to at least see the flop. Limping from early position is not an option as an open limp is the weakest play in poker and I want to get some value against hands like Ax and Kx. Min raise and push out Qx and Jx but get hands like 44 33 22 wanting to see the flop. (set mining)

After you see the flop is all about your post flop play and how well you know your opponents on specific boards. If the board is scary with flush and straight draws it is usually valuable to make your continuation bet if you know you can push them off a hand like top pair weak kicker. Maybe you know they will play any suited cards so a continuation bet is not the best option and now you look for a reason to fold.
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Old 06-01-2009, 01:04 PM
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I understand everything you are saying Assistanc3,

but i think at the microlimits most of it doesn't apply, your point about a min raise in early position pushing out Qx and Jx just wont work (especially when blinds are small, or in a cash game), and the blinds will call with almost any 2.

Personally i don't like the min raise but then that's just my style of play i suppose, at the lower limits if I limp with AK UTG, 80% of the time i get raised, then i flat call.

I check the flop no matter what, the guy who raised makes a c-bet and depending on wheter i hit or not i can call, raise or fold. After his c-bet there will be a decent enough pot and i will have contributed max 33%, so i can win a nice pot or lose a small one.

There are probably flaws to this way of playing and if you see any point them out please

Sometimes i will raise it 3xBB or 4xBB just to mix it up.

Oh and the thing about the bingo poker, that was the end of a league game and the average stack was something like 7BB, so i think in that case you can't play post flop poker
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Old 06-01-2009, 05:28 PM
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quick point, the bingo remark wasn't directed at you or anyone, just poker in general

I guess from my view and the way I play the lower limits ......
is when a tight player plays any hand from EP then that should send off bells and whistles, but not everyone respects or even notices image (that is something to always remember)

now my strategy of why the min raise is essentially that, to get someone to bump and run cause we know the donks will raise back with any2 cards, hopefully we (I) been playing tight (trappy poker) so far.

so what I do is think what his CB bet would be? if I am going to call it on the flop I am going to at least make the attempt to take it down pre flop with that much as my re-raise. Now, is he respecting my image? Do I get him to fold AceRag? (that he was gonna suck out on me with)

there is a flaw in your play and that is not generally your fault. if we are talking about AK from early position we are talking about being out of position and when you "check the flop no matter what" eeeek

raise (get re raised) call
see flop and check (showing weakness) then they open and
....you have no idea where you are at in the hand

my/this strategy does pay off, and omg the cash tables is best for it because you know Ace rag will call a min raise 90% of the time, and when you hit your Ace with AK its like 2pair, and this is how you get paid off....

min raise ( he calls ) see flop hit ace we do 20% - 25% pot bet (he calls)
now bet 30% pot (still looks cheap to his top pair, hell he might even raise)
on river you do 20% he will call w/Ace rag easily (he might raise)

examine the board to increase or decrease your bet
ie: draws on turn we pound the chips in on turn to 50%
ie: flopping 2 pair flop/turn is 20%
we need them to hit something or give them the impression of weakness so they raise.

be creative, but don't give them position after you showed strength


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Originally Posted by Mumbolungo View Post
A-K
Main danger- under-playing pre-flop and over-playing post flop

Pre-Flop
...after all its favourite over everything bar pocket pairs, and even then its usually only a coin-flip......

Post-Flop
.... At lower levels…. well you have to decide but be prepared to get your chips in.

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Old 06-01-2009, 08:33 PM
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Cheers for the advice Assistanc3, it's always good to discuss a hand and see what other people's logic is in playing it a certain way

I might try bring the min raise into my game, because your right to say that in cash games, people will call with Ax
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