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Old 06-10-2007, 08:28 AM
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Question Good Play/Bad Play - Good Etiquette/Bad Etiquette

This took place yesterday during the $300 Premium Freeroll - 386 runners, money from 40th.
It was pretty deep into the tournament, 30-odd runners left. I was second small stack at the table, and about 5th smallest of those left in tourney.
The blinds were killing me, I had been struggling to make a hand for a while, needed to go big or go home really. Forest00 was only slightly up on me in chips, and I thought that he was probably in much the same frame as I was - all-in with a marginal hand and hope to luck out. Then the hand below unfolded.

Couple of things I'd like your learned opinions on:
1) Is it bad etiquette / a sign of weakness / a fish thing to acknowledge a little luck?
2) He suggests after the hand that I was playing like a prick, and I played the hand badly. I thought it was a pretty good play on my part. Thoughts?
3) The chat comments after the hand took place during the next two or so hands. why would he think I was rubbing anything in? (I tend not to use the emotes much, and I sure didn't do any of the Loser, Chicken, Go F*** Yourself things during this time.) Tricky got involved without any prompting from me.

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Game Type: Hold'em
Limit Type: No Limit
Table Type: Tournament
Money Type: TOURNAMENT CHIPS
Blinds are now $1000/$2000
Button is at seat 9
Seat 1: DrJ77 - $10450
Seat 2: Shokoy - $6990
Seat 3: GeeZilla - $8880
Seat 4: UpHunter - $13655
Seat 5: BabyDolphin - $23675
Seat 6: Zorkano - $26030
Seat 8: Forest00 - $9910
Seat 9: tricky2 - $19387.50
Moving Button to seat 1
Shokoy posts small blind ($1000)
GeeZilla posts big blind ($2000)
Shuffling Deck
Dealing Cards
Dealing [Kh 2h] to GeeZilla
UpHunter folds
BabyDolphin folds
Zorkano calls $2000
Forest00 raises to $9910 (all-in)
tricky2 folds
DrJ77 folds
Shokoy folds
GeeZilla calls $8880 (all-in)
Zorkano folds
Returning $1030 to Forest00 uncalled
GeeZilla shows [Kh 2h]
Forest00 shows [Ah Qs]
Dealing Flop [Qd 3c 9s]
Dealing Turn [Kd]
Dealing River [Jc]
Forest00 has One Pair: Queens
GeeZilla has One Pair: Kings
GeeZilla wins $20760 with: One Pair: Kings
Then the comments start (these in between continuing play):
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GeeZilla: got lucky sorry
Forest00: dont be sorry
Forest00: dont play like a pr ick in the first place
Forest00: but dont be sorry when u luck out
Forest00: cause tats just lame
GeeZilla: fair enough
tricky2: tell him to go f uk himself
GeeZilla: nah, thats just lame
tricky2: their bad sports
Forest00: im not a bad sport, i can handle losing. its just bad form to play badly and then apologise
tricky2: he might be a nice person
GeeZilla: lol
GeeZilla: or not
Forest00: he wouldnt be rubbing it in if he was
tricky2: i know geez and hes a gentlemen
Forest00: ahh well, im all in next hand. gl all
Forest00: a gentlemen? or a fish with a moustache
GeeZilla: game of cards and a comedy show all for 400PP's. Now that's good value!
A couple of hands later:
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Forest00 posts big blind ($1030) (all-in)
Dealing [Ad Qs] to GeeZilla
tricky2 calls $2000
GeeZilla calls $2000
Dealing Flop [Th 8h Ks]
tricky2 checks
GeeZilla checks
Dealing Turn [Jc]
tricky2 checks
GeeZilla bets $6000
tricky2 folds
GeeZilla shows [Ad Qs]
Forest00 shows [4c Jh]
Dealing River [3s]
GeeZilla has Straight, Ace high
GeeZilla wins $1940 from side pot #1 with: Straight, Ace high
GeeZilla wins $4090 with: Straight, Ace high
Seat 8: Forest00 - $0

GeeZilla: i wont say i'm sorry
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Old 06-10-2007, 09:27 AM
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1) Is it bad etiquette / a sign of weakness / a fish thing to acknowledge a little luck?

Some people acknowledge luck to make the loser feel a little better. Thing is , if you go all-in blind - you are relying massively on luck. He did it too. I don't see any difference between either of your calls.

I lost going all in with AA yesterday - did anyone apologise? no - it was a risk I took.

Personally I rarely if ever say sorry - because I'm not :-)

2) He suggests after the hand that I was playing like a prick, and I played the hand badly. I thought it was a pretty good play on my part. Thoughts?

With the blinds at 2k you were running out of options. The only thing I'd say is when I'm cornered I now tend to move when I'm the initiator, not the follower, at least then I'm more in control. I can't control what they have but at least I start by knowing I may be ahead. If someoen goes all-in before me then it's like entering a race with the other guy having a head start, I mean, he chose to go all-in unprovoked, so you can assume me has high cards/ace/any pair

The only time I ignore this is if several people go all-in - then the pot odds are so juicy it makes the gamble worth it - you are going to have a tougher fight, but it's mainly down to luck anyhows so you might as well see how much you can milk!


3) The chat comments after the hand took place during the next two or so hands. why would he think I was rubbing anything in? (I tend not to use the emotes much, and I sure didn't do any of the Loser, Chicken, Go F*** Yourself things during this time.) Tricky got involved without any prompting from me.

He acted like a prick himself. The second I get any shit like this I put the people on ignore. I'm sure that annoys them more :-p
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Old 06-10-2007, 05:58 PM
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I've always thought that saying "sorry" was the worst bluff in poker.
some people are genuine but more times then not, they arent.

I to would have made the comment " don't be sorry "
but his trailing comments was a sign of a sore loser.

I guess your main concern was, was it the right move to call all in?

there are a couple things I would look at if I were playing that hand.

a) 6800 to call into a pot with 2000 invested
b) if I win, 20,760 I have great position for the next round
c) Forest00 is about to post blinds, so stealing is an valid play
d) 2 live cards, suited
d) I cant win if I dont play
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Old 06-10-2007, 06:55 PM
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Thanks for the responses guys. Sorta feel better about it all.

Clear learning points for me are to stop myself feeling guilty about a bit of luck coming my way, to trust in my decisions and back myself, and (probably most importantly) to not apologise for winning!!
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Old 06-10-2007, 08:00 PM
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hehe mate - I just played a game (and came 2nd) where one guy called me the luckiest poker player in the world. LOL - thing is - luck had nothing to do with any of my wins (well, one, but the odds were right)

I hit 10JQKA (Q on the river) - a little luck there, but they made it way too cheap to call and the pot was giving me fair odds vs hitting (I'd already paired)

I called (blind) an all-in with 10J off. It's a group 7 hand I believe. 560 to call, I had 5k chips. No one else in the hand. Seemed like a good punt. I won.

All the rest were calculated gambles.

Luck - pffft! :-)

Never apologise! :-P - unless it's me!
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Old 12-04-2007, 06:09 PM
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Hello

I see this is an old post, I found it by google. I havent looked to see if the original poster is even here still, but will look round the forums when I hve finished this post.

Firstly, (albeit long over-due) I would like to apoligise, it really wasnt like me and I would hate to think I was ruining someones fun.

Now, about the points. I actually remember this hand somewhat, which is remarkable seeing as hol long ago it was and how many hands I play on a daily basis.

1) I personally find people who get lucky and then say sorry incredibly annoying, it really winds me up. By all means say 'unlucky' if it was, but saying sorry when you clearly dont mean it, is just plain rude in my opinion. I hate it, even more than people speaking other languages t the table or discussing a hand mid-hand.

2) Looking at the hand again, it was badly played. I am a tight player, and although I was hitting the blinds (and would be putting myslef all in, i dont do limping) you could easily of found a better spot to call with. Had you raised it would of been a different matter. With $14000 in the pot and you needing to call $8000 thats just under 2:1 on your money. If you had raised it would of been good play though imo.

3) I think I covered why I reacted like I did. I would like to point out that I didnt call you a ***, i said you played like one. Had you not said sorry I wouldnt of made any comment at all. That sorry comment just winds me up.]

Sorry once again though.
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Old 12-05-2007, 03:55 PM
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calling K/2 is never good but with your stack i would have done the same just keep your fingers crossed and pray that noone got you dominated or got a big pair, and in the end you had live cards(altough i hate the saying ''live cards'') and you are not that much behind.
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Old 12-05-2007, 06:35 PM
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I would say calling with K2 with his stack was awful play. He was effectivey calling his whole stack.
Much better to be the raiser, and take blinds for free if possible, than call with a cards that your gona be dominated with anyway.
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