Another What Would You Do Thread

[KingBorgo]

Originally Posted by Assistanc3

I think its a safe fold.

You can't win the tournament, even if u win that hand
the only thing you could do, was assure yourself of not winning it if u lost.

And if your being as consistent as you say you are at cashing out, 1st and 2nds then we are in no position to say your playing wrong. Obviously you are doing something right.

Let me make a couple qualifications with my previous statement, and the one I am about to make:

#1: I am no longer a tournament specialist. The only tournaments I play are satellites, and these solely to trade/sell T$ and W$ at PokerStars. (Which I highly suggest playing, I am probably 60-65% on qualifying in the $8-$16 rebuy satellites on PS).

#2: I agree with Ass's comments that I have highlighted. It IS a safe fold. You CAN'T win the tournament. And you ARE playing well.

However, you obviously don't fully believe you made the correct play (as is shown by the fact that you posted it here). As Ass said, it is a safe fold. I have told many players, when asked what they should do in a certain situation, "When in doubt, fold." You lose nothing. And, though this is correct, unless he had one of THREE hands, you lose a great shot at all of the chips he had in front of him. Tell me: does he not make exactly the same play with 99-JJ, AQ AJ maybe even AT or KQ? I probably do. At this point, I know I will unlikely get called by better hands, for there are few of them, and many are unwilling to risk, so why not pick up 5k in chips! Thats a HUGE addition at these levels. You can fold, and try to find a spot later.

I still am a fan of the call all-in. Maybe this is because I am a cash game player, but I see too many valuable opportunities in making this call to fold the hand.

[Dodgey101]

Thanks for the input guys. Overall I wish I'd called with the QQs now that I can reflect on the fact that I didn't have many blinds left and it was indeed the best hand I had on the final table - but I'm also happy I didn't as I just was sure it was one of those time I'd run into pocket rockets or cowboys.

I wish I had because it really was my chance to make a break for it and I was not setting my sights high enough.

After thinking about the +EV element a lot I'm going to try and tweak my game some and see how I get on.

And Assi - yup! funny hey :-) - one thing I'm finding is nothing can sustitute experience - the more I play the more I'm finding SnGs much easier! Of course some luck is involved. My current favourite move is to call a few small raises preflop with very speculative hands, then check when they miss, then take time and fold on the flop. Then, when I have a monster flop, do exactly the same, with the same timing, looking very reluctant. I've set up such a calling station image by this stage that they almost always "drag me" to the river with bets. I then place a weak looking semi-bluff type bet on the river, they push all in and I insta call. Can't tell you how many times I've pulled that one off :-)

And I think that's part of what I'm getting better at - setting traps and manipulating my image.

[Assistanc3]

KingBorgo
he couldn't pick up 5k chips at that point
he was to call all-in or fold, with 2 players atleast with 1/2 his stack behind him

I'm 4th in chips (24k, leader had 34k) -

1st to act goes all in with 27k

personally I probably make the call too
but with the "read" he says he had,
at least in my eyes, that his reads are good, why second guess it?

do u call just to see if you got the right read?
and then post the AAorKK vs QQ thread

[KingBorgo]

Ass, you misread my post. I was talking about the raiser making the play to pick up the blinds.

And, yes, I may call to see if my read is correct. However, this does have more to do with my cash game roots, for it will have more of an effect later in the game (which may be why my tourney game has deteriorated slightly).

[Dodgey101]

I suck ass at cash games :-) (nothing to do with the 2 post above forum member I might add, though for the right price.....)

[Assistanc3]

Originally Posted by KingBorgo

And, yes, I may call to see if my read is correct. However, this does have more to do with my cash game roots, for it will have more of an effect later in the game (which may be why my tourney game has deteriorated slightly).

thats just crazy at a final table
why have good reads if u don't follow them up with making the right move

really that is what this thread is about ( the read )
if that part was NOT in the first thread, my reply would be about odds, and probabilities.

take me down to paradise city

[KingBorgo]

Yes, I agree that the call is a bad play, based on the reasoning just to see if my read is right. But, as I said, its something that I do in a cash game, and would reflect badly on my tournament game. However, I was being honest in the fact that I would call (though you shouldnt on this reasoning, as its a donk reason in this situation).

I still find it very hard to let go of this hand.

However, on that note...BACK TO THE RINGS!

[hellwung]

I'm like you Borgo, I often can't resist a call in this situation just to see if my read is correct (or I just really want to know what he's got). It's not a good play and it's really horrible when you're right and you lose it (ie he had the AA / KK) although sometimes you're wrong and you win or even right but you still fluke it.
I probably would have called it anyway, as I'm usually quite tempted with an all-in near the end of a MTT. DON'T FEAR THE ALL-IN's (sometimes)
By the way, where did you place in the end Dodge? (Just out of interest)

[Dodgey101]

8th lol (and some more text to break the minimum limit)

[hellwung]

Well you can't win 'em all, you can but try