I asked this a long time ago. I'd moved up since then, successfully. Now I'm looking to move up a level again. Currently a 11$ SNG player with a high success rate of money places and plenty of wins. Def making a profit, albeit slowly - though that's mainly down to chucking money into MTTs.

Looking at $22 SNGs now. I had a couple of games last night. 1st game I lost - was simply carded out. Terrible terrible cards. 2nd game I placed 3rd - again terrible cards but made some shrewd moves to clamber to 3rd - on one occasion doing the "I'm on tilt with bugger all chips all-in move" (with pocket rockets).

The question is what difference do YOU notice at this level? For me - the striking difference was the level of aggression. on a 11$ game you get one or two (at the most) very aggressive players who steal like crazy and know how and when to raise - I just pick my moment with these people, and keep outta the way the rest of the time. No problemo.

On the $22 tables I instantly noticed the entire table give or take one or two was made up of this kind of play. Immediately 8xbb bets were going in. All-in confrontations happened every few hands, sometimes several hands in a row. Frequently any sign of a raise was enough to put someone all in against you.

Of course the strategy of slowly slowly catchy monkey doesn't work when the entire table is aggressive - you get blinded after a while if you don't get cards,a nd when you do play cards, you have to be comitted.

I managed OK, but it was quite an eye opener.

What's your experiences?

For ring games I like to have no more than 5% of my entire bankroll spread across how many tables I am currently playing.

For Mtt's 100+ buy ins.

For Sng's I have no idea, never play them. They are such a bad way to make any decent money in my opinion. I would guess around 50 buy ins though.

However, the most important thing is feeling comfortable at your current stakes. Just keep taking shots at the higher games when your bankroll allows you to and you will gain more confidence.

You see, I dont' get that bit about SnGs being a bad way to make money (I'm a crap ring gamer). When I sit at a ring table within my bankroll limit - so that means sitting with no more than $50 (I sit with $25) I find it incredibly boring, and you just seem to be waiting for that one monster hand - if you try and get creative, the table changes so much you get caught out. Doubling up seems to take forever. I find I go something like 25-30-20-25-30-20-30-25-35 when i eventually end up 10$ up I run.

Like I said - I'm shite at ring games

I am currently playing 25c/50c 6 man ring games and I've built my original role of $100 to $600 in a week and a 1/2. I will soon be moving up to $50/1 and think I can continue my success there.

I have played $1/2 games but it was a while bank when BR management was a foreign word..as expected I did well but soon went bust.

I now have only 5% MAX of my BR in play at any one time.

MTT's I normally play the $5 6 man..a whopping 0.6% of my BR! but still a nice top prize (the $1,500 on pkr is normally paying $400-440 top prize)

I will move up when I can sit at a 50.$1 with 5% of my stack..which will be $1000.

$120 up yesterday so hopefully not long to go..but I was hitting some sick hands last night and getting payed off.

I think if you're in the mind set of ring games its a MUCH better EV that S'n'gs but there are people who excel at sng's and if thats what you enjoy playing..play them..pokers about fun as well as money.

If your no good at ring games then you will get busted by the better cash players.

I sucked at ring games till recently where I have perfected my stratagy to a point where I am a consistant winner, this will change as I increase of course where players are not so eager to let me draw in cheaply.

hehe - I'm having a little dabble in ring games. Why oh why this guy too it this far with a paired board...

#Game No : 6524416034
***** Hand History for Game 6524416034 *****
$10 USD NL Texas Hold'em - Thursday, November 22, 09:52:50 ET 2007
Table Table 125778 (Real Money)
Seat 1 is the button
Total number of players : 9
Seat 4: Dodgey101 ( $10.70 USD )
Seat 8: Fivez5 ( $8.73 USD )
Seat 5: Ddiggler66 ( $4.20 USD )
Seat 7: jenods ( $7.85 USD )
Seat 2: gertdws ( $9.80 USD )
Seat 3: Schochi555 ( $8.31 USD )
Seat 1: olejonas ( $9.20 USD )
Seat 9: Hendr1k ( $2 USD )
Seat 6: cashidy1985 ( $3 USD )
gertdws posts small blind [$0.05 USD].
Schochi555 posts big blind [$0.10 USD].
cashidy1985 is sitting out
EL_PRIMATE77 has joined the table.
** Dealing down cards **
Dealt to Dodgey101 [ 9d Jh ]
Dodgey101 calls [$0.10 USD]
Ddiggler66 raises [$0.20 USD]
jenods calls [$0.20 USD]
Fivez5 folds
olejonas folds
gertdws calls [$0.15 USD]
Schochi555 calls [$0.10 USD]
Dodgey101 calls [$0.10 USD]
** Dealing Flop ** [ 4d, 9h, 9c ]
gertdws checks
Schochi555 checks
Dodgey101 checks
Ddiggler66 checks
jenods bets [$0.40 USD]
gertdws folds
Schochi555 folds
Dodgey101 calls [$0.40 USD]
Ddiggler66 raises [$1 USD]
jenods folds
Dodgey101 raises [$2.90 USD]
Ddiggler66 calls [$2.30 USD]
** Dealing Turn ** [ Kd ]
Dodgey101 bets [$0.70 USD]
Ddiggler66 is all-In [$0.70 USD]
** Dealing River ** [ 9s ]
Dodgey101 shows [ 9d, Jh ]four of a kind, Nines.
Ddiggler66 doesn't show [ Qh, Qs ]a full house, Nines full of Queens.
Dodgey101 wins $8.93 USD from the main pot with four of a kind, Nines.
Game #6524421702 starts.

Nice hand..

btw you will see some outragous plays at those stakes..if your bank roll allows it move to the 25c/50c

There are some really bad players at the 0.25/0.5 level too, which is great

I've been playing those levels on VCPoker and Full Tilt, and VCPoker definitely has the worst players.

I always like to see a guy sit down with $10 or $20 at a $50 buy in. This often indicates they are playing scared and that $10 or $20 has a good chance of ending up in my stack

I came across one bad player yesterday who boosted my bankroll and I'm still baffled by his play. Basically, he was raising virtually every hand (I love these guys, easy cash if you catch a hand). This particular hand, he raised as usual from mid position and I had Qs 10s on the button. It was a standard 3x BB raise so I decided to call. 3 of us saw the flop, which came down 4d Js 6s. So I had the flush draw. Player one bets $2, our maniac friend called and I decided to find out where I was and raised it up to $5. Both called.

I figured one or both of them had a Jack. Because it was raised pre-flop, I couldn't put either of them on 2 pairs with that flop. But, there may be trips and there may be another flush draw. The turn was a 2c which couldn't help anyone. They both check to me. Now I rule out trips here because surely they would try and protect against the flush draw. I decide to take the free card and check also. River was Qc, so the board was 4d Js 6s 2c Qc. I missed my flush but had a pair of Queens. Player one checks, maniac guy bets a lowly $3 into a pot of $20. I'm thinking he may have J-Q, I'm hoping he has J-10 and I've rivered him. Either way, I had to call with it being that cheap. The other guy folded. And maniac guy turned over ... Qd 7d. I took the pot with my kicker.

Now the point here is - how on earth did he bet to the river? I've looked at this hand a couple of times and I can't figure out what he was doing. Firstly, he raised from mid position with Q-7 (I don't care if they were suited, still a bit donkish in my book). Then he missed the flop by a long long way. So why did he call a bet, then call a raise on the flop? One reason could be to bluff the turn and try and take it down, but he just checked!

I have encountered a few players like this and long may they continue to play poker

I don't play many cash games, but I'm at the point where I'm comfortable playing tournaments at any level both live and online. If anything I find that my game is better suited for larger buyin events as I don't have to deal with as much unpredictable play.

I found that my method for moving up worked well for me. I basically stayed at levels I was comfortable with while occasionally playing in games that were way above that. The best way I find to do that is by qualifying to big events through satellites.

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Nice hand story, just a word of warning, I buy in with half stacks because im tightly managing my BR. However, if I think I have you beat my chips are going in..

Plays like me are not scared money..after all because I am managing my BR I am anything but scared..I can afford to lose a few BI's in the quest for the holy $

The ones that buy in for $20.34 are the best..they are two players..scared money or super tilters coming to try and make a fast buck either way that stack is joining my own shortly lol.