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Old 01-03-2008, 01:15 PM
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Default AA Raise or slowly play?

With AA I always raise before the flop but I recently read a site where they say you should slow play in order to get as many people in as possible. My experience is that if more then five players call before the flop I usually need the set to come out a winner. That’s why I keep on raising before the flop. What's your opinion?
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Old 01-03-2008, 05:49 PM
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Wha?!?!

Well I would remove that website from your favourites folder. lol

The more players that see the flop when you have A-A, the higher the chance they will get cracked. Ideally, you want to be up against 1 opponent, 2 at worst. And you certainly have to be careful with just 3 of you.

If there are 5 of you on the flop and you haven't hit it at all, you can almost certainly kiss those aces goodbye.

I can think of only one time I have limped with A-A and that was the other day. I limped because I had them in the BB and everyone folded except the SB. So there were only 2 of us in and I didn't want to scare him away. I won the pot as it happens

I have seen so many times players limp with A-A and the BB gets to see the flop with junk like 7-3 off suit. When the flop comes down 7-3-x rainbow, A-A pushes because the flop looks poor and gets beat.
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Old 01-03-2008, 06:04 PM
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NEVER slow play

with AA you raise 3-5 the bigblind, it there was a raiser in front of you, reraise 3-5x what he raised.

I agree with True on the fact that you should delete that website from your favorites, thats just terrible advice.
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I used to subscribe to the always raise AA theory. However, though I have not yet implemented it, I am soon going to flex a EP limp with AA.

My reasoning: I started a run at 2/4 on PS here a couple weeks ago, and have about 2-3k hands in so far. One thing Ive noticed a HIGH % of time (PokerTracker agrees with me) is that one EP limp brings a couple more EP limps, then, very frequently, there will be a late position raiser. This puts a good bit more in the pot. Occasionally, the blinds will see a lot of potential $ in the pot, and will call, looking for pot odds. At 2/4, this can easily put the pot to $60-80 before it gets back to the first limper (who usually folds). Now, if you make this move with AA, you make a big fire here, and, more than likely, youre gonna limit yourself to one opponent, or take down the pot. I haven't had the opportunity to try this, though I see it as a potential great tool in the arsenal.
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Old 01-03-2008, 06:11 PM
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EP and with the right players at your table you may get away with that, but I would at least raise to 2x the BB.
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We should differentiate between different stakes. On 5/10c tables or less It often pays to slow play Aces because everyone will call ANY raise you make. So all you do it increase the cost of your gamble which you know will get a fair few callers.

As the stakes go up then less of a raise is needed to signal to the other players that you mean businness.

Against good players I'd never slow play aces
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Old 01-03-2008, 08:06 PM
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I have seen on High Stakes poker and other such programs that some pro's do exactly what Borgo suggested. In one episode, I can't remember who it was, but he limped from EP with A-A. Unfortunatley, about 6 others limped too with no raisers. lol

Anyway, he folded A-A on the flop. That's discipline. hehe
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Finally got to try it.

*** HOLE CARDS ***
Dealt to Borgouise [Ah As]
Frogg 'em: folds
schem11: folds
mullett3: folds
Borgouise: calls $4
lensview: calls $4
Boondockss: folds
Belok: folds
Dilith: checks
*** FLOP *** [5h 9s Ad]
Dilith: checks
Borgouise: checks
lensview: bets $9
Dilith: folds
Borgouise: calls $9
*** TURN *** [5h 9s Ad] [2d]
Borgouise: checks
lensview: checks
*** RIVER *** [5h 9s Ad 2d] [8c]
Borgouise: checks
lensview: bets $19
Borgouise: raises $23 to $42
lensview: raises $23 to $65
Borgouise: raises $25 to $90
lensview: calls $25
*** SHOW DOWN ***
Borgouise: shows [Ah As] (three of a kind, Aces)
lensview: mucks hand
Borgouise collected $209 from pot
*** SUMMARY ***
Total pot $212 | Rake $3
Board [5h 9s Ad 2d 8c]
Seat 1: mullett3 folded before Flop (didn't bet)
Seat 2: Borgouise showed [Ah As] and won ($209) with three of a kind, Aces
Seat 3: lensview mucked [8d 8s]


Note: if I dont hit the A on the flop, I probably dont let him see that river.
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Very nice. I finally found the clip I was after.

Here is an example of it going wrong. The hand starts at 6:40 and it was Wasicka limping but no less than 7 players saw the flop. lol

Ironically, the clip starts with Jennifer Harmann having A-A

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Old 01-04-2008, 09:55 AM
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Last time I played AA preflop it was entirely dependant on the type of game. It would be very rare that I wouldn't raise AA preflop in limit holdem, regardless of the stake size. In upper limit games I raise with AA
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