What's the general consensus on flush draws? I think this may have been discussed before, but it's something I'm still unsure about.
Say for example you're in with Ah 9h and the flope comes 4h 10h Kc.
Now generally I would try and see the next cards cheaply and not raise, but let's say the small stack pushes all-in for 1000 which is more than half your chips. Should you call? Would you call for all your chips? Is it good play to push with a flush draw?

im with you on this one hellwung i too try to play flush draws as cheaply as possible.
as for pushing in on a flush draw,this all depends on how i think the other person has been playing and whether or not i think they have a genuine hand or are just trying to pull a fast one if i feel that they only have a mediocre hand then i wouldnt hesitate to push in on a flush draw regardless of my chip stack.
even if they do hold a decent hand theres usually a good chance of hitting your fush on the turn or river.

Generally, pushing for a flush draw on the flop is not really good play at all in my opinion (this is a lesson I learnt only a few weeks ago). If there are only two of you in the pot and you push, you're only going to get even money on a 2-1 draw so basically you don't have pot odds and will lose in the long run doing this.

If there are 3 of you in the pot and you push, you will get 2-1 only if both call ... BUT ... you may be 3-1 to win the hand so it's still fairly bad.

There was quite a good discussion on this very subject when I faced a situation with the nut flush draw on the flop and I learnt a good lesson. Here's the link:

http://www.pkrnation.com/pkr-poker-h...u-do-here.html (What would you do here?)

EDIT: Checking the post, I see you did reply in it, but on a different matter. lol

I'm actually liking this hand and I would call 1/2 my stack vs a small stack.
other then the obvoius pairs/trips, I'm not far behind any hand.

personally I would be opening in this pot with a solid raise.
infact I would raise enough to commit myself if that small stack does push.

I don't like the slow/small raise, small call on the flop here
I want to raise to take it down, or make it a nice pot and get paid off.
on the flop my hand is ranked 68% vs random hand, so I have to put pressure. I can't check and have small stack push with a pair of 4's.

Trueform mentions in the long run doing this (push, not call all in) is bad.
I have to disagree.
the odds of u you hitting the flush is 'strong'
the odds of u you hitting the straight is 'weak'
the odds of u you wining with Ace high is 'possible'
the odds of u you wining with a pair, Ace kicker is 'potential'

but here is the thing, if you push and they don't call, you win the hand.

I like my chances, "I'm all-in"

The reason I said it was bad to push is that the odds are against you.

It's 2-1 to hit the flush by the river and you're only getting even money.

If you did this 12 times and got called and the odds played true, you would win 4 times and lose 8 times. Of course the amont you won or lost would depend on stacks sizes, but all things being equal you will lose cash in the long run.

Having said all that, I am talking about perfect poker I suppose and there would be occasions where the other playeer folds etc.

I think it's a situational thing. Hitting the money on a tourney and a cash game for instance are different matters and may sway that decision

your only odds are of them calling everytime, and thats perfect poker?
your math only states you win the pot if u hit your flush, do you not see a flaw?
I agree 100% with you that its situational
and be it cash or tourny/ total chip stacks makes a big difference too

I generally only play tournies and stt's, I guess it would be different in a cash game as all your stack could be a fair bit of cash.
Situational is quite true, maybe a chunky raise is a good idea.
2 things I hate: a folding in this situation (to a large bet or all-in) and seeing the flush come down on the turn or river or b pushing all-in, someone calls then missing the flush and getting beat... that stings...

I just checked your old post Trueform, yeah that was a very similar situation. I guess you had the odds to call it with the 2 all-ins, still a tough one though especially in a cash game.
I think depending on the situation I will make a big raise or push with the flush draw, I've noticed that I often do well when I play a bit more aggressively.

It all depends on the situation. Sometimes you should check then fold to a bet, sometimes you should check-raise, sometimes you should take a free card, sometimes you should make a small bet, sometimes you should make a strong bet, sometimes you should push all in, sometimes you should check raise all-in.

You have to assess the situation (how good will you flush be, what are the implied odds, what are the pot odds, what is the playing style of my opponents, how many opponents are there, is this a cash game or a tournament, if a tournament what stage is it, are you on the button or in the blinds, is my opponent likely to have a made hand etc. etc.).

The skill is in selecting the play which will yield the most chips without jeopardising your tournament life (if it's a tournament). If it's cash game just go with the pot and implied odds. Remember that if your opponents are mostly tight or good players the implied odds won't be as good as you hope.

If I'm against a loose or multiple loose opponents, I try and keep the pot small by checking, calling and keeping bets small then bet strongly when I hit. If I'm against a tight player I am more inclined to semi bluff. If I'm against a dangerous player I will mix it up.

There's no point semi-bluffing with a flushdraw if your opponent is not going to fold some of the time. When you semi bluff it's usually to build the pot with a strong draw, to win the pot immediately (which is always a good result), or to disguise your hand.

The problem with flushes as opposed to straights is they are normally pretty obvious. In a game where people don't play any two suited cards (yes I know it's rare) you can pick up more chips by representing a flush draw than actually having it!