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Old 05-04-2008, 05:44 AM
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I'm in a $22 SnG - most players at the table. No big stacks. Nothing odd. Blinds 50/100

I get AK - 1st to act
I raise to 400 (4x)
Guy on my left calls

Cust a long story short. Flop is 676.

I raise, he pushes. I call. He is holding 67 suited

I thought, "WTF is he calling 4x with 67suited!?!?!?" - it was not as if he was deep stacked.
And this is a $22 SnG.

Nuts I thought. Then I looked him up on scope. $12,000 in steady profits from what I can tell - he's called dadozer (on Carbon)

Am I missing something?
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Old 05-04-2008, 07:33 AM
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that sick bro
only thing your missing is your $22

maybe he thought about making a move that hand, and just caught a really nice flop....

have you ever had a player at your table, where u just wish u could play vs them, no matter your hand, but if the flop is right, you know its yours?
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Old 05-04-2008, 02:31 PM
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I think I read somewhere that 6-7 suited is statistally the best hand to take down large pairs
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Well, some of us LOVE small suited connectors. I can reasonably see calling here if ALL of these precepts are true:

He is over 2k in chips.
There are consistently 3-4 players to a flop.
There is no player in late position with a tendency in raising.
You have a tendency to see 40%+ flop.

If all of these are true, I can easily see a call with 67s.
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Old 05-04-2008, 07:27 PM
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There's a section in super-systems2 about low suited connectors, it actually recomends calling AND calling raises with this type of hand. Personally I'm not convinced, more inclined to try and limp with it, and generally fold to a raise.
At the end of the day it's a drawing hand, and if u don't catch it's worthless...
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Old 05-05-2008, 12:32 AM
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WoW! I seemed to have woken up the sleeping PKR members :-)

Yeah - I've read/heard about small SCs being good for cracking Aces / AK etc. It's a risky move though. I thought he was a nutter until I looked at his profile on 'scope. His average wager/buy-in is around $2 so I guess he plays 1/2NL ring or similar. He doesn't have many $22 buy ins, and not many massive hikes indicating a big lucky tournie win. That's what got me thinking.. he must know what he's doing.

Been a few days of this crap :-) - someone called my all-in with 67 off last night and hit a 7 on the flop. (AK again - low stacked)

Then my trip Jacks turned into a broadway for someone else who fished my huge raises to the river.

Seems it's a mad week on Carbon or something. Tried the $2500 GTD at $35 and was out with another bad beat early. Then the $1500 GTD, same story - My KK raised huge, called by a lucky hit.

Lost $100 in 3 days. Time for a break

Got me thinking though - I need to work on my game - as I'm moving up the stakes I'm running into far more varied play and some of my cheap tricks are not working any more
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Old 05-05-2008, 07:53 PM
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hehe, I still check back here now and again but I'm working full time at the moment so I only get a few hours of poker a day.

One thing I'm wondering about Dodgey is why did you call his all-in?

You're hand wasn't strong and a bit more thought might have saved you $22 (and please don't take this the wrong way, just trying to help)

From what I can see, you made a continuation bet. This helps to see where you are in the hand. Well his all-in told you exactly where you were, but you called anyway - something I have done on many occassions. lol

The only hand you are beating is a stone cold bluff. Any pair and you are behind, chasing 6 outs (unless he had AA or KK of course). He could also have called your raise with 77, Ace-6 suited, Ace-7 suited or even 66.

Now he knows you raised pre-flop, so his all-in bet indicates he is clearly hoping you have a hand like AK, or even a big pair. I would have played it differently I think, but that's the beauty of poker, each player is different.

I remember a member on here called sircordy who used to call with speculative hands like 8-6 suited etc and I remember having a go at him for it. But that was my early days, and now I too often like to call with suited connectors, especially in cash games. The concept is simple ... miss the flop and take the small loss and fold. Hit it and the payout can be nice.

In fact earlier tonight I did just that. I limped from mid position with 8d - 6d. Everyone else folded except the BB. He raised it up 5x BB. Now to me this was an easy call. He's either trying to steal the meagre pot or he actually has something. I also have position. Anyway, the flop came down Ad - Kd - 3c. Now this is a nice flop for me. I have the flush draw. Now if he raised with any pair, he does not have the flush draw. If he raised with any Ace or any King, he does not have the fush draw. He could of course have diamond connected cards himself, but the odds are unlikely. So he bet the pot, I called. A third diamond hit the turn and I made the flush. Here, he checked. I bet just over half the pot, he paused then called. The river was a blank. Again he checked, now I bet about 3/4's the pot. He waited for ages. At that point I knew I had him. If he had a decent flush he would have called quickly. My bet hopefully looked like I was trying to steal it. Eventually he called, and his cards quickly went into the muck.

Unfortunately, this was on PKR so I have no idea what cards he had because they don't show mucked cards but A-K seems likely.

Without any kind of tracker for PKR it's impossible to say if this kind of thing is profitable over a long run, but it sure feels like it
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Old 05-06-2008, 04:09 AM
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:-) heya mate

It went like this (the reason I ended up all-in)

I raised 400 preflop
He called (everyone else gone)
Flop 667
I did a continuation of 400 (leaving me with about 600 or 700 chips)
He Insta-All-inned - no hesitation at all. I'd watched him play (he was on my immediate left) and the way he played, well, this looked like a stone cold bluff, particularly with the instant reaction, so I called it.

I was wrong :-p

I assumed he called with another high speculative hand like AK, AQ, AJ. I never put him on a high pair as I expected a reraise from him preflop.

Can't totally explain it but I was 100% sure he didn't have a pair (I was right, unfortunately).

As I put him on high unpaired cards I felt safe calling.
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Old 05-06-2008, 05:12 AM
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one thing I have noticed on poker forums is ...
with "suck outs" and "bad beats" is they happen to tight players

have a look at players like Gus Hansen, Patrick Antonius, Daniel Negreanu
they bring the heat with any two cards, but they sure burn the kitchen when caught.

poker is no longer what you play, its how much your willing to pay for it.
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Live SnG, buyin $140, 1500 in starting chips. Very first hand I get dealt QQ, I raise to $250 thats 1/6 of the stack, 2 callers

Flop comes 664, I'm first to act I bet out $400, next player goes allin. The next to act folds. I'm thinking maybe 44 or 66 but most likely AKs and he was on a flush draw and wanted us out. I call and he turns over 67s. I wanted to reach out and choke him.
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